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South Tyneside Stop the War / Re: Nostalgia? In The Beginning ...

« Last post by Phil Talbot on December 04, 2023, 11:51:34 AM »

... & ‘often’ ‘I(.)T(.)’ seemed to me to ‘boil down’/2b an ‘inter-play’ between ‘PAT(t)ERNING’ & ‘Drama(tiz/sing-Ing)’ ...
In ‘patterning’ you/I/1/many/whom.what(So)ever strived/strove to ‘make’ order/harmony ...
... [which was,perhaps, ‘too orderly’?!] ...
In ‘dramatis/zing’ 1/(2/too?) many strove/strived for/‘revel’d in ... ‘difference’/dis-order ...  dis-harmony ...
... [which was, per-haps, ‘mere chaos/K’os?!?} ...
...

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South Tyneside Stop the War / Re: Nostalgia? In The Beginning ...

« Last post by Phil Talbot on December 04, 2023, 10:53:22 AM »

So ... Roger,Maddy,Family,Comrades&ManyOthers... were (still) Communists [aka ‘working-class/proletarian (‘over’?) Romantizers’] ... while I was a ‘bourgeois individualist’/‘libertariansocialist’/‘anarchist’/whatever ...
We were considered ‘ancient enemies’ [Consider how communists & anarchists F’d up CivilWarinSpain between them/their’differences’ ... giving ‘victory’ (albeit ‘temporary’) to Franco/Fascists ... before the ww2 (not ‘necessary’?) global ‘holocaust’ ...].
But ... we seemed to get along well enough these days ... & were ‘united’ by belief/believes in ‘A WORLD WITHOUT WAR’ ...

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South Tyneside Stop the War / Re: Nostalgia? In The Beginning ...

« Last post by Phil Talbot on December 04, 2023, 09:40:52 AM »

Ref: Hogarth, Time Smoking a Picture; quoting Strobaeus, “Time is not a great craft-person ... it ‘weakens all it touches ...” [Perhaps it WAS ‘merely’ ... one ‘damned’ cigarette after another! ... {Were cigarettes ‘sublime’?!}]

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South Tyneside Stop the War / Re: Notes towards a new anti-war 'epic' ...

« Last post by Phil Talbot on December 03, 2023, 04:05:59 PM »

& you/one/I/i .. looked at/  considered the ‘wider’ scheme of things ... & I/i/1/you thought: ‘...’ ?!

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South Tyneside Stop the War / Re: Notes towards a new anti-war 'epic' ...

« Last post by Phil Talbot on December 03, 2023, 03:54:20 PM »

NoOne could say: I was first2345... with ms.s.f. No ‘insult’ 2 her ... With Catherine ‘it’ was different ... I saw the ‘blood’ of the ‘first time’ not coming ... but then again ... she could be transformed into \ travestied as a ‘bad.faith’d bastard’ ....

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South Tyneside Stop the War / Re: Notes towards a new anti-war 'epic' ...

« Last post by Phil Talbot on December 03, 2023, 08:49:52 AM »

[waste-land ‘stuff’ ...]
Lines 31-34: Eliot’s note refers ‘us’ [the ‘readers’] to the libretto of ‘Tristan & Isolde’ ... opera by Richard Wagner {1813-1883}. A ‘traveller’ is singing about a ‘sweet-heart’ he has left behind: “The wind blows fresh to the home-land. My Irish girl/lady, where are you lingering?”

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South Tyneside Stop the War / Re: Notes towards a new anti-war 'epic' ...

« Last post by Phil Talbot on December 01, 2023, 04:55:12 PM »

[‘Dear’] John Milton [ParadiseRegained, 3, 387ff]:
Much ostentation vain of fleshy arm,
And fragile arms, much instruments of war,
Long in preparing, soon to nothing brought,
Before my eyes thou has sent; and in our ear
Vented much polity, and projects deep
Of enemies, of aids, battles and leagues,
Plausible to the world, to me worth nought.

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South Tyneside Stop the War / Re: Nostalgia? In The Beginning ...

« Last post by Phil Talbot on November 30, 2023, 09:55:31 AM »

I will ‘pick’ (out) ‘cultural evolution’ beyond/above ‘genetic/creatural evolution’ ... every ‘time’ ... all ‘species’ b.come ‘extinct’ (given ‘time’) ... ‘cultures’ tend to ‘out.last’ (th)’em  ... p.x....

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South Tyneside Stop the War / Re: Notes towards a new anti-war 'epic' ...

« Last post by Phil Talbot on November 29, 2023, 12:56:58 PM »

Anyway ... to restart the/a/‘my’ story more or less ‘anywhere’ ... Clare/Claire[4whom’s name I do not know a ‘correct’ form_ofX’press’on] and I/i went together to watch the film\movie Killing Fields in the mid1980s ... Co’k [4whom I do not have a ‘polite’ form_ofRef.] took this as a great ‘insult’, even ‘act of infidelity’ - we were ‘supposed’ 2 go 2 ‘premiers’ together then ...
[All of this was a ‘long’ time ago, & of no real ‘consequence’ in the ‘HERE-AND-NOW’, of course. {co’k: ‘I have a busy life ... and have moved on ...’}]

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South Tyneside Stop the War / Re: Notes towards a new anti-war 'epic' ...

« Last post by Phil Talbot on November 29, 2023, 12:25:47 PM »

(‘Dear’) John Milton, eg,  [paradise regained 3 71ff]:
They err who count it glorious to subdue
By conquest far and wide, to overrun
Large countries, and in field great battles win,
Great cities by assault. What do these ‘worthies’ (sic!)
But rob and spoil, burn, slaughter, and enslave
Peace-Able nations, neighbouring or remote,
Made captive, yet deserving freedom more
Than those their conquerors, who leave behind
Nothing but ruin wheresoe’er they rove,
And all the [‘potential’]  :)works of peace destroy,
...